Comments on NYCGA (Occupy Wall Street) meeting on Psychopathy in Banking/Finance

My post at http://www.nycga.net/groups/alternative-banking/forum/topic/minutes-from-sunday-march-11-2012-subgroup-topic-psychopathy-in-bankingfinance/:

I totally agree that the “Wall Street financial services sector attracts psychopaths” far beyond the norm in the general population. I have worked, at least a year, for some seven investment banks over the last 25 years, including 11 years at UBS, so I claim to speak with personal knowledge. Deceitful ruthless cutthroats rise to the top.

Part of this is due to corporations having the freedom to act sociopathically (as someone else pointed out, they can be sued if they don’t). Sociopaths naturally will rise to the top — they have no ‘friction’ or ‘drag’ from consciences holding them back from going for the greatest profit. And part is due to the nature of capitalism itself and the profit drive.

My suggestion is simply to keep corporations relatively small, so sociopathic or not, the damage they can inflict is limited. Taking an example from nature, infants do indeed get murderously angry, but being small it doesn’t matter (unless they grow up with unmollified, unresolved infantile rage). As an added bonus, smallish corporations couldn’t overpower democracy.

There were suggestions that Wall St. employees be given psychological tests for sociopathy. I don’t think that is necessary (or would be effective, see below). I don’t mean to be flip, but we don’t want millions of sociopaths on welfare. There is nothing rare about sociopathy.

Just as sociopaths very often make rule abiding prison inmates they can also be rule abiding investment professionals. The rules just have to be very clear and punishment sure and swift. Unfortunately the financial services sector has been set up by and for sociopaths. So we have a problem.

Regarding tests, I don’t believe there is a psychological test in the world that advanced sociopaths wouldn’t simply laugh at. However, research has shown that there are now detectable brain structure differences in sociopaths. All regulators need to be tested for and filtered out by these structures. (See links at bottom.)

These advanced sociopaths are called SAPs — socially adept psychopaths, who can be unbelievably skillful at both manipulation and avoiding detection.

In terms of unionization, it’d be great if it could work. Though to my experience Wall St. support staff are incredibly loyal to and proud to work for Wall St. Of course the loyalty is only in one direction. I was at Drexel at the end, I recall a meeting to explain the firm’s demise and many of my co-workers went (I was freelance so I couldn’t go), seeking to find out what had happened to their livelihoods — only to be told the meeting was for professionals only. The support staff were clearly only ‘so many truck o’ dog’ to the bankers.

“Political Ponerology: A Science on The Nature of Evil adjusted for Political Purposes” is one of the great books of history. It is a scientific study of the development of pathocracies (governments under the control of evil individuals and movements).

Selections and commentary on “Political Ponerology”: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm, http://www.sott.net/articles/show/159686-In-Memoriam-Andrzej-M-obaczewski . To purchase the book: http://www.ponerology.com/ .

It is discussed further here:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ponerology-101-snakes-in-suits/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-book-everyone-needs-to-read-and-its-free-dr-andr/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/democide-when-your-government-kills-you

If interested here are some links to my own blog:

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/pathwhisperer-postscomments-on-occupywallst-org/

On SAPs:
https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/post-redux-are-saps-socially-adept-psychopaths-real/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/sociopathic-through-lines/

On sociopathic brain structures:
https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/criminal-minds-will-testing-the-brain-even-before-birth-separate-the-good-seeds-from-the-bad/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/the-tucson-tragedy-reopen-the-mental-hospitals-require-candidates-to-submit-brain-scans/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/psychopaths-caused-the-financial-crisis-and-they-will-do-it-again-and-again-unless-they-are-removed-from-power/

Wall St./General:
https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/welcome-to-our-sociopaths-gone-wild-economy/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/commonalities-between-wall-street-speculators-andor-fed-bankers-and-sociopaths/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/12/22/sociopathy-and-the-nypd/

Sociopathy and the NYPD

1.  Flaking:  Planting narcotics on law abiding citizens to improve arrest record.

NYPD “Cowboy Culture”: Narcotics Detective Guilty Of Planting Drugs

The Brooklyn South narcotics detective accused of planting drugs on a woman and her boyfriend was convicted yesterday. Jason Arbeeny, a 14-year NYPD veteran, was guilty of eight counts of falsifying records and official misconduct for planting drugs on innocent suspects in order to reach quotas. And the judge in the case scolded the narcotics department for their “cowboy culture” and widespread corruption: “Having been a judge for 20 years, I thought I was not naïve regarding the reality of narcotics enforcement. But even the Court was shocked, not only by the seeming pervasive scope of the misconduct, but even more distressingly by the seeming casualness by which such conduct is employed,” said Supreme Court Justice Gustin Reichbach before handing out his verdict.  http://gothamist.com/2011/11/02/nypd_narcotics_detective_found_guil.php

More info here:  http://joebrunoonthemob.wordpress.com/tag/jason-arbeeny/

I am not saying that all the officers involved are sociopathic, but I am arguing that the presence of a sociopathic ‘bad seed’ greatly influences such crimes.  The presence of sociopathic police officers plays a huge role in further corrupting those inclined to be corrupt.  To sociopathic police officers and/or prosecutors guilt and innocence are of no concern, their only concern would be their own interest.

2.  NYPD entrapment of Occupy Wall Street on the Brooklyn Bridge.

NYC White Shirt Police Commanders Entrap Occupy Wall Street; Arrest 500, or is it 700

I have now heard from several people who were in the protest and they all say they were led onto the Brooklyn Bridge roadway by the police. The protesters were walking on the pedestrian passageway that crosses the bridge. They were led onto the roadway by the police. About a third of the way across the bridge the police trapped them with plastic orange netting. Those arrested were held in plastic cuffs for hours, then brought to various jails and released in the early morning hours. This video shows the police quite clearly leading the Occupiers onto the roadway.  http://october2011.org/blogs/kevin-zeese/nyc-white-shirt-police-commanders-entrap-occupy-wall-street-arrest-500-join-occupy

Personally I’m convinced that it was entrapment.  I am not going to entertain the counter argument.  Readers can make up their mind.  For more info:

Occupy Wall Street – the story of the Brooklyn Bridge ‘trap’

Police accused of luring Occupy Wall Street protesters into trap before arresting 700 on Brooklyn Bridge

Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge

Rule of Law vs. the Forces of Order

Whenever you hear, in your mind’s ear, that ‘chortle, chortle’ response, suspect sociopathy.  The brain trust for the NYPD that came up with the Brooklyn Bridge arrest plan (leading them onto the bridge, kettling them and then arresting them) should be fired or at a minimum the members evaluated for sociopathy.

Sociopaths live in a very simple world:  power, powerlessness; high up on the foodchain, low on the foodchain.  It would make sense to a sociopath that this arrest technique would smash the will of the protesters, it would have smashed their will.  For sociopaths there is no ‘butt they won’t kiss’, they would always make the live-on-their-knees rather than the dying-on-their feet choice — they have no pride, shame or honor (due to their state of childish arrested development).  They cannot understand those who say ‘this mountain I will not climb,’ ‘this line I will not cross.’  Apparently the elite expected/expects the American middle class to crawl away and die.  This will not happen.

3.  NYPD officers fixing records (cases?).

The recent scandal of parking ticket fixing (which must have gotten out of hand to be brought into court) makes me wonder how high this goes.  Do the white shirts get away with outright criminal schemes?  It seems sometimes that the NYPD white shirts are criminal princes of the city.  I have heard of relatives of white shirts getting DUI arrests dropped (some even that involved fatalities).

A court case I visited (and a post I never made, I didn’t become interested in time) concerned the accused Darryl Littlejohn in the Imette St. Guilen murder.  From what I heard in court, it seems quite possible that he was either guilty and framed to put away a really bad guy, or innocent and framed to protect relatives of NYPD brass.  No DNA evidence showed up (by admission of the lab) until a NYPD relative volunteered to come in on his own time (and unsupervised, as I recall) to prepare the samples to be tested.  These samples were then tested by supervisor ‘K’, who had sat in, much earlier, on meetings with the prosecutor and NYPD brass (including the relative of another ‘person of interest’, the bar owner) regarding the importance of proving Mr. Littlejohn’s guilt (improper behavior for a neutral lab, to put it mildly).  Prior tests of prior samples by other members of the lab had found nothing.  She found nothing odd in then finding multiple positive DNA matches.

I was very suspicious of sociopathy involvement in the case.  The witnesses, the jurors, the prosecutor and the judge should always be screened for sociopathy in all cases.

More info:  http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/s/imette_st_guillen/index.html; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Imette_St._Guillen

4.  The incidences of innocent victims being shot multiple times.

http://gothamist.com/2008/03/25/31shot_cop_i_di.php

The problem isn’t simply the primary shooter, but the sociopathic officer’s ability to instill a gang mentality (instantaneously) and draw others into his action.

5.  On a personal level, the worst case of possible sociopathy in the NYPD I personally heard of, concerned officers and a couple I knew in Queens.  She had become romantically involved with an officer called in to handle a domestic complaint against her husband.  The claim (which I came to believe) was, that over time, the cops beat him up, stole his car, entered his premises at will, harassed him, etc.  Among many problems is that the only location to make a complaint against an officer or seek police investigative help is the officer(s)’ own precinct — a non-starter.   A DA wouldn’t want to hear the case without indisputable evidence, but how could the husband get that evidence without police powers?  If he resorted to private investigators he risked opening himself up to stalking charges.  There needs to be an outside office charged with the responsibility to investigate complaints against NYPD members, it can not be (and is not) self-policing.  In my experience, sociopathic police officers think they have landed in clover, to put it mildly.

Earlier post:   Stripping & stripsearching women for a living, NYPD Det. Charles Derosalia 
https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/that-flavor-of-sociopathy-%E2%80%94-current-stories-in-the%C2%A0news/
(in the bottom third of the post).