Thank you

From Ramble On, http://moeller.bz/story, thank you for your testament, it’s good to hear:

“https://pathwhisperer.info/2010/03/04/quadruple-search-today-how-to-cross-examine-a-sociopath/

Just wanted to update the site that we beat the sociopath in court. Carefully insinuating that he was stupid caused him to blow up in court. The judge actually said that nothing he said was credible! Thank you for your advice. This is testament that you can win with a sociopath! Your site was a wealth of knowledge and support. Thank you!”

Search: “please help me to gather enough evidence against my former husband. he is a narcissistic sociopath and has already alienated one of our children from me. trying to prevent him from doing more emotional damage on our son. thank you.”

You can just hear that scream, that confusion, that shock.

A plea sent out over the ether.

“Sociopaths Count On Getting The Benefit Of The Doubt”

From Lovefraud, O.N. Ward:

Chapter 3:  Sociopath Math

Husband Liar Sociopath for store

I can almost hear the collective cacophony. “Onna! That can’t be the whole story. There has to be something more to it. There are always two sides.”

In an attempt to be fair and to give everyone involved the benefit of the doubt, we tend to discount and dismiss malicious, destructive behavior. Sociopaths count on this. Contrary to the popular saying, there are not always two valid sides to any story (and it would not surprise me if it was a sociopath who first planted this idea in our collective unconscious). Are there two sides to the story of Bernie Madoff’s multi-billion dollar Ponzi scheme? Does the heart-breaking story of Laci Peterson and her unborn son’s 2002 Christmas-time murder at the hands of her philandering husband Scott have two sides? What about the conviction of ex-policeman Drew Peterson for murdering his third wife—are there two sides to that story? (His fourth wife has been missing since 2007.) It is critical to realize that there does not have to be more to the story of Paul and Jenny—not if Paul is a sociopath.

Since we have empathy and a conscience, it is almost impossible for us to imagine that there are people, like Paul, who are devoid of both. Yet, there are—lots of them. To help silence those voices in your head that want to give Paul a legitimate side to the story, I would like to give you a crash course in what I call sociopath math.”  http://www.lovefraud.com/2016/04/28/sociopaths-count-on-you-getting-the-benefit-of-the-doubt/

Available from Amazon:  “Husband, Liar, Sociopath: How He Lied, Why I Fell For It & The Painful Lessons Learned”

A phrase I’ve heard directly from psychopaths (I use the words synonymously):  ‘Go ahead and tell, no one will believe you anyway’.  That’s often true.  It’s called assumed similarity bias/assumed normalcy bias (https://pathwhisperer.info/2015/11/02/assumed-similarity-bias/).

Search today: “how to solve a harassment case with a sociopath and hr”

Well, . . . it ain’t easy.  It depends mostly on whether the company has a hr department run by actual sociopaths/psychopaths.  Sociopaths/psychopaths love being in hr, they get to play puppet master.  If that’s not the case there’s still the question of how to overcome the hr reps’ assumed-similarity/assumed-normalcy bias — facts can overcome a bias or syndrome but will just bounce off an assumed-similarity psychotic (one should keep in mind that that assumed-similarity comes in all flavors:  bias, syndrome, disorder, psychosis — incidentally the same is true for naive prey response syndrome).  See https://pathwhisperer.info/2015/11/02/assumed-similarity-bias/, https://pathwhisperer.info/2011/02/11/a-search-today-i-am-the-target-of-a-sociopathic-bully-what-do-i-do/.

My experience with psychopathic harassment was while working for UBS, which I consider to have a psychopathic history (as essentially Nazi bankers during WWII and the later holocaust gold scandal), psychopaths in management, psychopaths in human resources.  Actually I consider UBS to be psychopathic entity.  I should have left early on.

Psychopathic tadpole drains normy tadpole of life force/juices — biological instraspecies predators, parasites, cheater strategists and sneaker males

Spadefoot normal and cannibal tadpoles

Among spadefoot toads some tadpoles become cannibals while the rest eat algae (http://www.centre.edu/web/news…..storz.html). If there is enough food and the water doesn’t dry up (which is the norm) the normals keep their numbers up and things are more or less in balance. If the ponds dry too quickly then the faster growing cannibals are much more likely to survive to adulthood and reproduce. If the proportion tips in favor of the cannibals they eventually have to turn on themselves and the population crashes. In the rebuild, the normals again come to the fore. Rinse. Repeat.

Dr. Robert Hare describes psychopaths as “intraspecies predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation and violence to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs.” They lack conscience, they take what they want and do as they please, without guilt or remorse. “What is missing, in other words, are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

Flanged and Flangeless Male Orangutans

Nature's Sneakiest Males, And How They Win Where Alpha Males FailNature's Sneakiest Males, And How They Win Where Alpha Males Fail

“One of the more startling examples of the two types of males is in the Sumatran orangutan. The species is famous for male bimaturism. Some males mature fast, developing their bodies and growing the distinctive folds, or flanges, on the sides of their faces. Other males keep a juvenile look, sometimes for as long as twenty years after becoming sexually mature. These juvenile-looking males can get chased out of a territory by a mature male, but much of the time they’re ignored. Biologists thought that this was a typical sneaker strategy. The unflanged males looked too young to be worth fighting.” http://io9.gizmodo.com/natures-sneakiest-males-and-how-they-win-where-alpha-m-1678927415

Chinook Salmon

Nature's Sneakiest Males, And How They Win Where Alpha Males Fail

Chinook salmon swim up river every year to spawn. Two kinds of males make the trip. Jacks are small, slender fish that sexually mature fast without putting on bulk. Hooknoses mature slowly, spending more time in the ocean feeding and fattening up. The difference between the two is dramatic, as is the difference between their technique. Hooknoses are big and bulky, and can fight off other males, but when it comes down to it, maneuverability is key. Jacks can dart in at a crucial moment, releasing their sperm and fertilizing the eggs the hooknose fought for.”  http://io9.gizmodo.com/natures-sneakiest-males-and-how-they-win-where-alpha-m-1678927415

George Simon, PhD, somehow makes the mistake of thinking psychopaths are the only known intraspecies predator.  This isn’t so, see spadefoot toads above (I’m sure there are others also).  But his understanding of psychopaths is right on:

Psychopaths are the only known intra-species predators.  [. . .] they consider themselves superior creatures compared to common humans.  They have the most malignant form of narcissism.  They know all too well how different they are from the rest of us but don’t consider this a shortcoming.  Rather, they consider themselves more than “special.” They consider themselves distinctly superior to those who possess two characteristics they don’t have:  empathy and conscience.  The way they see it, folks with a heart and with those things the rest of us call “qualms” are an inferior breed, the perfect patsies, and their rightful prey.  http://www.manipulative-people.com/serious-abusers-and-psychologys-failure-to-understand-them/

Search: “should sociopaths be placed in group therapy”

Absolutely not.  Since they can’t be cured or psychologically changed, group therapy only teaches them how to pass more successfully.  It teaches them to become even more skillful wolves among the sheep.

Further, any therapist who believes they should is not actually a therapist at all, and should, in my opinion, lose their license.  Therapy only works through the therapist witnessing for the client’s unconscious (or soul or psyche) the client’s soul wounds.  The client may divulge to the therapist soul truths they can’t divulge to themselves, as the client journeys to reintegrate the alienated self.  Basically this is the Alice Miller methodology.  But it was ever thus, she is just one of the few to try to write it down.  The only therapists who are useful are the ones who’s subconscious can sense the needs of their clients’ subconscious and mirror them.  If the soul defect of the sociopath/psychopath is not apparent to the therapist, that person is a therapist in name only.

Being psychopaths, the normal psychopathic shenanigans will take place in the group.  Extremely manipulative the psychopath may essentially take over the group process without the enabling therapist’s even being aware of what is happening.  Or the psychopath may be driven by arrogance to prove his superiority over and over again.  There’s a well-known story of a psychopathic client bragging to the group of seducing both the therapist’s wife and girlfriend, all the while with the therapist sitting there attempting to keep his best therapist face on.  To put it bluntly, any therapist who allows a psychopath in group therapy with non-psychopaths is stupid and/or incompetent.

Post Redux: A more nuanced description of the nonhuman human

From below, on psychopaths:

Herve Cleckley:  “we are dealing … not with a complete man at all but with … a subtly constructed reflex machine which can mimic the human personality perfectly”

Otto Kernberg:  “an enraged empty self—the hungry wolf out to kill, eat and survive.”

An earlier post:

Per Herve Cleckley, per Joe Mcginniss:

Recall here the words of Herve Cleckley, which I encountered for the first time in the fall of 1980: “Only very slowly and by a complex estimation or judgment based on multitudinous small impressions does the conviction come upon us [in regard to the psychopath] that, despite these intact rational processes, these normal emotional affirmations and their consistent application in all directions, we are dealing … not with a complete man at all but with something that suggests a subtly constructed reflex machine which can mimic the human personality perfectly.” [Mask of Sanity, p. 369]

It took me a long time to accept that MacDonald could be the charming and apparently caring man I’d come to know (or thought I did) during the summer of 1979, and, at the same time be what the psychiatrist Otto Kernberg has described as “an enraged empty self—the hungry wolf out to kill, eat and survive.”

http://www.joemcginniss.net/the-1989-epilogue

Further:  https://pathwhisperer.info/2011/06/01/this-nonsense-has-got-to-stop-you-cannot-betray-a-nonhuman-human-who-is-trying-to-play-the-interviewer-mcginniss-malcolm-bazelon/, https://pathwhisperer.info/2015/07/19/search-jeffrey-macdonald-many-surgeons-are-psychopaths/