Search: “when a sociopath narcissist is told by bosses to stop harassment what happens”

It depends.  Mostly on how seriously the sociopath takes the threat from the bosses (following the dictionaries and the scientific literature I use the words sociopath and psychopath as being synonymous).  Might clean up his act immediately.  Or might get more devious.

I once was running an evening shift at a presentation center without having hiring and firing powers.  A sociopathic employee came to realize this and simply stopped doing his fair share of work and paid my requests no mind.  Upon being upbraided by our boss, he instantaneously became my best friend and started working hard again.

But that wasn’t a harassment situation.  Sociopaths who go in for harassment and puppet master manipulations seem to really love doing so.

Hopefully in this situation, the bosses won’t give him/her more than one chance.  If they were truly aware of the individual’s character they should have fired him immediately, leopards don’t change their spots.

 

A search today: “i am the target of a sociopathic bully. what do i do?”

Since I don’t know if this is taking place in a school, a neighborhood or a workplace but since my own personal knowledge comes from workplaces I’ll use that.  For workplace bullying targets, I suggest the following:

1.  Make one, but probably only one, very firm push against the sociopath, both with co-workers and management.  This is a ‘do unto others before they do unto you’ situation — don’t hold back, realize your attacker will not play fair, respond accordingly.

2.  If a case can be made without reference to the bully being a sociopath, go down that path.  Too many people simply can’t wrap their minds around an individual in their circle actually being a sociopath, this often (almost always?) includes management and HR (how can this be?).

3.  If the bully is so crafty that the campaign is invisible to third parties, in complaints to management and HR directly assert that the individual is a sociopath.  Refer them to http://www.bullyonline.org/ if need be.  Suggest that they request a brain scan from the bully.  You want to have the workplace bully fired, they don’t play ‘live and let live.’

4.  If the bully is protected by a high placed devotee (some individuals fall under a cultish spell regarding an admired sociopath — they are impossible to get through to, being almost as dedicated to the sociopath as a mother is to her own two year old.  (I am totally serious.)); or if the sociopathic bully is protected by fellow sociopaths in management and/or HR (though management can override HR if management is strongly on your side) then leave.  Give up.  It doesn’t matter how much you like the job, how much you invested in it, etc. you can not trade blows with a sociopath.  Everything connected to you is fair game to them, your reputation, your family, your spouse.  Furthermore, workplace bullies may spend years on bullying campaigns.  I’ve found them to be ‘beyond the pale’ sociopaths, completely emotionless mimics of normal human beings.  Being emotionless they have no normal satisfactions and pleasures — to them it makes sense to dedicate years and immense effort and brainpower on these campaigns.  If you say that “no enemy is going to make my choices for me” and stay, you, your marriage, and your family will be damaged by the corrosive stress of the situation — people die from this everyday, believe me.  Don’t do it.

Search: “Are bankers sociopathic?”

I assume the searcher is asking about percentages, in other words are investment bankers more often sociopathic than the norm?

Well, it just so happens that I spent over twenty years working for Wall Street firms.  A distant second source of employment were law firms.  From my experience I would say that there seems to be a higher percentage of sociopathic bankers than lawyers, which might seem surprising.

I spent at least a year, either as a permanent or freelance, at E.F. Hutton, PaineWebber, Drexel, Salomon Brothers, Lehman Brothers, Union Bank of Switzerland and UBS (after the merger with the dominant partner Swissbank)I was at Drexel during the go-go years when support (operations) staff were buying cars for cash with their bonuses (I was freelance at the time unfortunately).  I was there at then end when support staff were asked to leave a professionals only why-Drexel-is-closing meeting.  I was at Salomon Brothers on Black Thursday, and later, from a computer room, heard names being called out on the trading floor — those called had a half hour to gather their stuff and leave the premises.

Of these banks I personally knew or knew of sociopaths at E.F. Hutton, Lehman Brothers, PaineWebber and UBS.  I strongly suspected Salomon’s Gutfriend’s wife to be a sociopath but I suppose that doesn’t count.  From news stories, I’m sure some of the Drexel senior bankers and executives were sociopathic but I had no personal contact with them and no entry to their offices.  But if one accepts that one can often recognize sociopathic arrogance and attitude at a glance, as I do, then all Wall Street companies with trading floors have sociopathic employees.

In my opinion, E.F. Hutton was actually a sociopathic enterprise led by the sociopath Bob Fomon (this became obvious about Bob Fomon over time and for many reasons).  Sociopaths of the SAP (socially adept psychopaths) variety, cluster.  As permanent children the world is a daunting place for them — or to put it another way, they are all strangers in a strange land.  They will gravitate towards those SAPs who are more able to navigate the outside world.  Low level, unable to defer gratification, astronomically egotistical sociopaths don’t play well with other sociopaths and “King Sociopaths,” those at the center of sociopathic clusters, seem to often resent interacting with other “King Sociopaths.”  Many people believe sociopaths are loners due to these two reasons, I think, but I believe the majority are not.

And of course, a sociopathic enterprise offers the promise of corruption for all.

Bob Fomon had the self control and ability to defer gratification to be a successful sociopath (in the sense of passing for normal and having a successful career) but he was unable to hire other sociopaths of his caliber.  The sociopaths underneath him could not keep their hands out of the cookie jar however.

Sociopathic stories from Hutton:

  • I recall Bob Fomon having a fondness for teenage female company (of legal age) but he felt he had to claim the relationships were platonic.  I don’t believe he found many believers — sociopaths will try the stupidest explanations, any excuse will do.  When he showed up with a foot in a cast, the jokes went that he must have fallen off that red velvet swing.  And at his age.
  • I knew a high vice president who was rumored to be having a long-running affair with a gay manager underneath him.  When I mentioned this to a young female co-worker she said “No that’s not true.  He merely calls him every morning.”  This same young friend had warned me earlier not to believe any rumors that she was having an affair with the same vice president.  Slow on the uptake, I said, “What!  How do you know that?”  Anyway, when the day came that management wanted the gay manager to leave the employment of Hutton but apparently not wanting to fire him directly, the vice president simply took away not only his office but even his desk.  The deskless manager was forced to wander like a ghost until he quit on his own.  I’m sure it was emotionally devastating for him.  Sociopaths seem to enjoy pulling that emotional rug out from under their lovers when they discard them.  An element involved, I believe, is their resenting having been cast as a emotional partner when they feel no emotions and they decide to show that in the end.
  • The check-kiting scandal that brought down Hutton — just what were they thinking?  Of course that was in the day and age that Wall Street banks relied on their reputation and needed their clients to survive as opposed to trading on their own account against their clients.

Sociopathic stories from UBS:

  • I considered more than one high level officer of my division to be sociopathic.  In addition I have never worked with a higher percentage of children of sociopaths.  The children of sociopaths, almost without exception, are deeply, deeply humiliated (without ever recognizing the sociopathicness of the humiliating parent).  The constellation of traits is actually easy to recognize, though sometimes they internalize the sociopathic humiliator to such an extent that they may be taken for sociopaths themselves.  And, of course, they are very comfortable working with sociopaths (as in, being totally oblivious to it).
  • Under the UBS corporate structure, the regional heads had enormous power.  Many became combinations of screaming babies and lord high potentates.  With outside restrictions removed sociopaths know no restraint.  I’m not saying that they all were sociopathic, but more than one were, in my opinion.
  • The junior bankers were often terrorized by these regional heads and would beg us in NYC to go along and do what their bosses wanted.  I would hear such phrases as “He’ll win anyway don’t fight him“, “He just has to have his own way“.  They knew their bosses were screaming babies but they never drew any conclusions.
  • Some managing directors seemed to be very mild mannered to outsiders but their staffs were utterly terrified of disappointing them.  One sees such manipulation by sociopaths often.  Warren Jeffs comes to mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs).
  • A pathologically lying sociopath (i.e, a pseudologue, the condition is called pseudologia fantastica) found complete safety at UBS for years.  When he was hired he claimed to have just gotten over both leukemia (seemingly, a cancer hoax favorite) and a kidney transplant.  Five years later he brought in a cake one day, saying it was his fifteenth year of remission from leukemia, apparently having forgotten his earlier story.  When confronted he was smooth as silk, an incredible performance.  However others, including management, still protected him.  He was kind of like a Schmoo, anything you wanted in a friend.  But in reality he was the equivalent of a calculating machine always calculating what his object wanted from him — if, a big if, it suited his purposes.  Like all sociopaths he was a genius at getting others to take care of him and quite a few co-workers were heavily emotionally invested in believing in his Schmoo friendship.
  • I believe this same pseudologue found further safety in the embrace of a male sex-party ring, that included members from all levels of employment, that was rumored to exist (ten years worth of rumors and drunken comments).  Also see Not frat boy behavior, sociopathic behavior.    I don’t care what people do in private, but in a corporate setting and with members of management involved such activity is not a private matter.  I believe this ring helped further this pseudologue’s security (not to mention the possibility of explicit or implicit blackmail) and he branched out into puppetmastery, slander and workplace bullying.  The manager whose responsibilities he essentially co-opted was absolutely unaware of it.  She was his biggest devotee — his word was golden, and she seemingly couldn’t stand to disappoint him.  Uncanny.
  • There was something else worth noting about this pseudologue.  In a sense he became a King Sociopath, i.e., one that other sociopaths clustered about and followed.  As a pseudologue he literally had all the certainty of one who makes up their own facts.  (It seems pseudologues know they are lying, but they seem to think everyone is lying and that there is no “real” reality.)  This certainty carried weight with more childish sociopaths (some of whom were much higher than him in the corporate hierarchy) looking for help in dealing with the non-sociopath world.
  • One time a junior banker (later a managing director) came by, all excited that his young children had included him in a discussion of whether folding toilet paper or bunching it up was a better technique.  This was something he could relate to instantly.  Sociopaths, as part of their arrested development, are endlessly fascinated by bodily functions.   “‘[The Manipulator] loves to walk down the street in pride and certainly, knowing he’s but one moment away from an attack of diarrhea.  This makes him unique among the masses.  The Toxick Magician always views his adversary with his head in the toilet bowl“, http://www.scribd.com/doc/11554313/The-Psychopaths-Bible.
  • I recall a junior banker, with a Harvard degree, who was famous for an occurrence of semi-public sex at one of our corporate holiday parties.  He and a very willing, very drunk partner availed themselves of a stairwell with co-workers peaking in amazement around the corner, as I understand it.  She left soon after, but he was there for years, no doubt thinking it was totally normal behavior.  For more on the sociopath’s lack of need for privacy see Menace to society:  Nushawn Williams should be involuntarily committed as a dangerous psychopath.
  • The holocaust gold history of both Union Bank of Switzerland and Swiss Bank, both historical and modern.

Derivatives are a whole other issue — though perhaps more what the searcher had in mind, rather than the vignettes above.  There is no question that derivatives were hatched by a sociopathic mind or a sociopathic modality mind.  The notion of derivatives (essentially insurance but with no need that the buyer be a stakeholder, i.e., they’re sidebets, pure gambling) is grotesquely irresponsible, ignorant of reality, ignorant of cause and effect, ignorant of what drives economies.  Financing is the tail of the dog, not the dog.  The financial service industry has to serve the greater economy.  Obviously if there were trillions of dollars bet on sporting outcomes, the debts would be unenforceable and laughed at.  However the power players are still demanding that derivative bets be paid off, though the value is greater than the world economy.  This is insane, though not to sociopaths. Derivatives are the economic equivalent of perpetual motion machines, another great sociopathic favorite.  Being permanent children scientific cause and effect are beyond them.

Derivatives and the sociopathic philosophy behind them and the insane notion of a riskfree capitalism have crashed the world economy. See Welcome to our sociopaths-gone-wild economy and Commonalities between Wall Street speculators and/or Fed bankers and sociopaths.

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Ah, so that’s why UBS had us study how to prevent money laundering

UBS Admits To Massive Tax Evasion Scheme

Banking giant UBS has agreed to pay $780 million and turn over once-secret Swiss banking records to settle allegations it conspired to defraud the U.S. government of taxes owed by big clients.

. . .  UBS executives helped U.S. taxpayers open new accounts in the names of sham entities.

Prosecutors contend that UBS executives used encrypted software and other counter-surveillance techniques to prevent anyone from detecting that they were actively marketing such Swiss bank secrecy — and tax evasion — to American taxpayers.

The clients, in turn, filed false tax returns that omitted the income they earned in their Swiss accounts, according to the court papers.

Federal officials said they had pulled aside a veil of secrecy that hid a corrupt international banking practice.

“This was not a mere compliance oversight, but rather a knowing crime motivated by greed and disrespect for the law,” said Alexander Acosta, U.S. attorney for southern Florida.

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/blog/2009/02/ubs-admits-to-massive-tax-evasion.html

In 2006 and 2007 UBS was having everyone brush up on their “‘know your customer’ (KYC) skills and the identification of new trends in suspicious behavior” — even operations staff (on the computer side in my case).  We had to “undertake regular training courses, [. . .] in the form of on-line training” or compliance modules as they were called.  These had absolutely zero to do with our jobs, we never dealt with clients, let alone their money, so we used to call in banker friends to help us with the online tests.  (Above quotes from “Contributing to society, Preventing money laundering, corruption and terrorist financing,” http://www.ubs.com/1/e/about/corporate_responsibility/society/fighting_money_laundering.html.  OOPSIE, that page has been deleted!  OK, here’s another one:  http://www.ubs.com/1/e/polandcareers/ourcultureandvalues/corporate_responsibility/society/fighting_money_laundering.html.  Note that this page is under the heading, Our Culture and Values — one trait of the truly advanced, truly high ranking sociopathic mind is the depth and breadth of its hypocrisy.  Criticizing a sociopath for being hypocritical is like criticizing a fish for swimming — it’s simply their nature.)

It’s apparent now what the strategy was — window dressing.  UBS was putting on a big show of complying with anti-money laundering laws by having all firm personnel be trained in recognizing it — all the while carrying out that very thing through encrypted software and other counter-surveillance techniques (according to the U.S. DOJ).

Now what kind of mind would think a transparent ruse like this would accomplish anything?  Perhaps an arrogant, childish sociopathic mind.  Obviously not every crook is a sociopath.  However, in my opinion, sociopathy is the wind in the sails of evil and corruption.  The normally corrupt are forever fighting their consciences, following the conscienceless, the sociopaths, is a relief to them.

Unfortunately it seems UBS is still the same bank that accepted holocaust gold and sought to deprive the heirs of concentration camp victims their rightful funds.  As late as 1997 bank management thought they could order underlings to destroy Nazi-era banking records.  Fortunately, Christopher Meili, a security guard, turned them in.  (For more information:  “‘Nazi gold’ settlement mixed intangibles with money,” http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1998/08/hirsch.nazigold.aug21/; Swiss Banks and World War II, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banking_in_Switzerland.)

Suggesting to a sociopathic banker that accepting gold collected from the teeth of concentration camp victims was wrong or the same to an athlete gaining the top of the podium through fraud would only convince the sociopath that the questioner was the one with the problem.  Their code:  you call it cheating, I call it winning.   If the point was to amass gold, the source, to a sociopath, would be utterly of no concern.

Heavy duty searches that have found me

From some of the searches that find this blog, it’s evident that people out there are wrestling with very difficult sociopathic problems.

My son is a sociopath, what do I do? This was one recent search.  The best I can do is send the searcher over to the Lovefraud blog (see link to the right) where a number of posters have been in this position.

One thing I can say is that as a sociopathic son enters puberty it is essential to protect younger siblings, particularly sisters but also brothers (sociopaths know only friction orgasms, they are essentially pansexual).  It would be nothing to most sociopaths to get a sister drunk and share her with his buddies.

Secondly, apparently some of the children dropped off in Nebraska were sociopathic.  If institutionalization or this route is taken I think I would (I’m thinking out loud, trying to feel my way through this) suggest staying in contact with the child.  Sociopaths fully experience most of the normal prepubescent emotions of childhood I believe.  Abandonment would be very real to them, not to mention also to the parents (who no doubt would be in a terrible bind).  Contact would be better for the soul of the sociopath (such as it is) and the parents.  Total abandonment would leave a sociopathic child angrier and more dangerous.  I believe the argument could be made that Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were serial killers due to never having bonded as infants (Ted Bundy was left in the hospital for months with his mother hesitant to keep him as I recall) not due to their inherent sociopathy, which only made them more skillful at it.  Thus their murderously angry infant selves became a permanent part of their psyches, coming forth to use an adult’s capabilities and intelligence together with a sociopath’s manipulativeness and cunning to carry out their murders.

How to get a sociopath fired?  My advice would be to focus strictly on the malfeasance.  In my opinion it is very difficult to persuade someone of another’s sociopathy.  It seems that everyone thinks they are a perfect judge of such matters, even if they have never heard of a sociopath, or think they have never met one, or expect never to meet one in their lifetime.

If the problem is sociopathic workplace bullying or harassment then there are totally different problems.  Are any managers devotees of the sociopath, lovers, or blackmailed lovers?  Nobody wants to leave a job or co-workers they like but sociopathic bullying is very detrimental to the victim.  In my experience management and HR are usually of no help.  If you stay and fight, in my opinion, you need to get as vicious as possible as quickly as possible (maybe not, if you take the bull by the horns you may get gored).  Furthermore if a friend is seduced and blackmailed by a sociopathic enemy, then your friend is your enemy.  The situation can get very ugly, very fast.

To those who say that such things could never happen in their world I beg to differ.  ‘See no evil, a preyer’s prayer’ — to borrow a phrase.  Think what a shield to the corrupt the response of “Oh, that just can’t be happening” is. Or to those who say they have no enemies, ‘I’m a nice person why should I have enemies.’  I’m afraid you don’t understand sociopathic motivations.  The pick of a target for sociopathic workplace bullying may make no sense anywhere other than in the mind of a particular sociopath.

Without a professional and ethical management and HR department there are really no good options. While at UBS, I actually proposed creating an office to deal with sociopathic employees but was not taken up on it (https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/proposal-to-ubs-upper-management/).

Sociopathic employee and HR.  Ha, ha, ha.  What does HR stand for?  Human Resources.  One would assume that HR’s job would be to take care of the human resources of a company, to see that their rights are respected in terms of both company policy and labor law.  Wrong.  In my experience HR’s job is to assist management in exploiting the workforce.  The term, Human Resources, is often merely a 180 degree lie.  Such lies are a great favorite of sociopaths so many sociopaths go into the field themselves, in my experience.  I have, more than once, seen sociopathic HR reps side with sociopathic employees, even criminal or mentally ill ones.

How to beat a sociopath in court? Another hard one.  Occasionally they defeat themselves, Thomas Capano and Wayne Williams insisted on testifying on their own behalf driven by their high self regard and pathological optimism.  In general I believe there is a vast problem of sociopathic judges, prosecutors and even defense attorneys siding with a sociopathic pleader even if this goes against the law or even the interests of a client.