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I need to practice this.  When avoiding communication with psychopaths I tend just to avoid eye contact, this would be stronger.  Looking back with a face of unreadable emotionally detached disinterest would drive them crazy, depriving them of cracks for their hooks of emotional manipulation and depriving them of harvesting emotional information.  Remember, language is used for manipulation, true communication, for psychopaths, is nonverbal.

From Ramble On, http://moeller.bz/story:

“When you interact with your sociopath (or with anyone else who displays these characteristics), you must practice emotional detachment. You should practice this with yourself in order to develop the genuine indifference which, to a sociopath, is like an impenetrable force field [the author later used the term, inside shield]. A caveat: you must really feel this – the inner realignment you must undergo is critical, and the technique cannot be accomplished via feigned disinterest. What you are doing is short-circuiting the foothold into your psyche that the sociopath seeks by way of the stress syndrome, the adrenaline rollercoaster, he is trying to induce in you, with its concomitant behavioral struggling. If it sounds like psychological warfare, it is. Please note that this is not to be confused with being uncaring. (PW, who has an acting background, may identify this technique as being similar to Method Acting.)”

It certainly is like acting, in that it is not pretending, it absolutely has to be real and felt.  On a related issue if someone is trying to reverse blackmail a psychopathic blackmailer they have to actually mean the words (and rehearse until they believe them):  “Go ahead, destroy my marriage.  I’ll get out my old address book, I’ll get over it.  But you’ll be in jail.  Blackmailing is a felony and I have you on tape [whether you do or not].  Your choice, jack*ass.”  Cold as ice and believable is the requirement.  Of course this is not an acting exercise, individuals have to chose an approach that feels natural, that fits their personality.  Other possibilities (out of millions):  “Hey, I was messing around just to gain strength to get divorced anyway.  I should thank you. . . .  Thank you.  Hey, you want a pen pal in jail?”, “You think that mole on your [______] won’t identify you? Bwah, ha, ha, ha.”  Etc.

[On acting, I make no claim to be anything other than an acting hobbyist.  However I am extremely rigorously trained.  It was a deeply personal mission that saved me from the narcissistic modality and Quaker crippledness of so many of my relatives.]

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It’s called a win-win.  First you are victimized by the bullying, abuse, abuse of power, criminal actions, and then if you complain, bring it to light, go to the authorities and nobody believes you, you lose again.  For the target, it’s lose-lose, for the sociopath, it’s win-win.

Psychopaths count on the naivete of empaths, they know that those inexperienced with sociopaths won’t believe the accounts.  That’s why gaslighting works.  I’ve had sociopaths say to me, in joking situations, ‘go ahead and complain no one will believe you anyway’.  But empaths are absolutely convinced that we are all brothers and sisters under the skin.  It’s called naive prey response syndrome, or simply a state of being naive prey.

No doubt Tony Simmons, the juvenile justice counselor, who would casually detour the elevator on the way to court and molest or rape his charges, said the same thing.  (That flavor of sociopathy — current stories in the newsYes! Sociopathic traits cited from the bench, NY Daily News:  A predator walks: Letting child rapist off without prison time is an outrage in every way.)

NYPD Det. Charles Derosalia probably said the same thing.  He was accused of illegally strip-searching, presumably simply for his own pleasure, 18 women picked up on drug charges.  His response was that they were simply “lying druggies”.   (That flavor of sociopathy — current stories in the news, NY Daily News:  Victim of alleged perv NYPD Det. Charles Derosalia: ‘I was fondled by cop and now I can’t sleep’.)

Finally, let’s not forget third party psychopaths, who will jump on the ‘oh, that’s ridiculous’ bandwagon with no pretense of considering the target’s claims.  Psychopaths stand together versus the normy world.

A variant is the 180 Rule.  They like to turn ‘words on their head’, it makes them feel superior.  http://180rule.com/psychopaths-girardian-theory-the-180-rule/

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Absolutely.  They hate any emotion they can’t have.  The happiness of others makes them feel inferior, which cannot be allowed.

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It depends on where the individuals are on the psychopathic throughlines.  Full dose, full spectrum psychopaths where each psychopath believes themselves to be a Mutant X superman and lacks capability of restraint cannot interact successfully.  The world is not big enough for the both of them.  However, those who aren’t full dose and can read the food chain and accept their place on it interact all the time, backing each other up against the normy world.  I’ve seen two types of clustering:  the first on pure dominance, the second around successful psychopaths who move more easily through the world of normals.

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My post at http://www.nycga.net/groups/alternative-banking/forum/topic/minutes-from-sunday-march-11-2012-subgroup-topic-psychopathy-in-bankingfinance/:

I totally agree that the “Wall Street financial services sector attracts psychopaths” far beyond the norm in the general population. I have worked, at least a year, for some seven investment banks over the last 25 years, including 11 years at UBS, so I claim to speak with personal knowledge. Deceitful ruthless cutthroats rise to the top.

Part of this is due to corporations having the freedom to act sociopathically (as someone else pointed out, they can be sued if they don’t). Sociopaths naturally will rise to the top — they have no ‘friction’ or ‘drag’ from consciences holding them back from going for the greatest profit. And part is due to the nature of capitalism itself and the profit drive.

My suggestion is simply to keep corporations relatively small, so sociopathic or not, the damage they can inflict is limited. Taking an example from nature, infants do indeed get murderously angry, but being small it doesn’t matter (unless they grow up with unmollified, unresolved infantile rage). As an added bonus, smallish corporations couldn’t overpower democracy.

There were suggestions that Wall St. employees be given psychological tests for sociopathy. I don’t think that is necessary (or would be effective, see below). I don’t mean to be flip, but we don’t want millions of sociopaths on welfare. There is nothing rare about sociopathy.

Just as sociopaths very often make rule abiding prison inmates they can also be rule abiding investment professionals. The rules just have to be very clear and punishment sure and swift. Unfortunately the financial services sector has been set up by and for sociopaths. So we have a problem.

Regarding tests, I don’t believe there is a psychological test in the world that advanced sociopaths wouldn’t simply laugh at. However, research has shown that there are now detectable brain structure differences in sociopaths. All regulators need to be tested for and filtered out by these structures. (See links at bottom.)

These advanced sociopaths are called SAPs — socially adept psychopaths, who can be unbelievably skillful at both manipulation and avoiding detection.

In terms of unionization, it’d be great if it could work. Though to my experience Wall St. support staff are incredibly loyal to and proud to work for Wall St. Of course the loyalty is only in one direction. I was at Drexel at the end, I recall a meeting to explain the firm’s demise and many of my co-workers went (I was freelance so I couldn’t go), seeking to find out what had happened to their livelihoods — only to be told the meeting was for professionals only. The support staff were clearly only ‘so many truck o’ dog’ to the bankers.

“Political Ponerology: A Science on The Nature of Evil adjusted for Political Purposes” is one of the great books of history. It is a scientific study of the development of pathocracies (governments under the control of evil individuals and movements).

Selections and commentary on “Political Ponerology”: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm, http://www.sott.net/articles/show/159686-In-Memoriam-Andrzej-M-obaczewski . To purchase the book: http://www.ponerology.com/ .

It is discussed further here:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ponerology-101-snakes-in-suits/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-book-everyone-needs-to-read-and-its-free-dr-andr/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/democide-when-your-government-kills-you

If interested here are some links to my own blog:

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/pathwhisperer-postscomments-on-occupywallst-org/

On SAPs:
https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/post-redux-are-saps-socially-adept-psychopaths-real/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/sociopathic-through-lines/

On sociopathic brain structures:
https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/criminal-minds-will-testing-the-brain-even-before-birth-separate-the-good-seeds-from-the-bad/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/the-tucson-tragedy-reopen-the-mental-hospitals-require-candidates-to-submit-brain-scans/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/psychopaths-caused-the-financial-crisis-and-they-will-do-it-again-and-again-unless-they-are-removed-from-power/

Wall St./General:
https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/welcome-to-our-sociopaths-gone-wild-economy/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/commonalities-between-wall-street-speculators-andor-fed-bankers-and-sociopaths/

https://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/12/22/sociopathy-and-the-nypd/

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